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It Is Shocking That I Have To Explain This? DHS Secretary Dispels Myths About Migrant Caravan Rate Topic: -----

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Posted 28 November 2018 - 03:13 AM

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It Is Shocking That I Have To Explain This? DHS Secretary Dispels Myths About Migrant Caravan

The Daily Wire
Ashe Schow
November 27, 2018

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The migrant caravan the left-leaning media has been gushing over finally reached the U.S.-Mexico border on Sunday, and things got violent.

Migrants threw rocks and projectiles at border patrol, and one San Diego agent said the group, which is made up of mostly men, used women and children as human shields. Naturally, leftist media outlets tried to downplay the violence and turn it against President Donald Trump, lambasting the use of tear gas against the caravan, even though the Obama administration did the same thing.

On Monday, Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen released a statement in an attempt to explain what the migrant caravan actually is and dispel some myths being reported by the media. Nielsen laid out six points relating to the caravan, its makeup, and its purpose, adding additional points about how the Trump administration is responding.

1. The Caravan Is Violent

Nielsen called the violence seen on Sunday entirely predictable,?and said it had been attacking border police in Mexico and other Central American countries.

I refuse to believe that anyone honestly maintains that attacking law enforcement with rocks and projectiles is acceptable. It is shocking that I have to explain this, but officers can be seriously or fatally injured in such attacks. Self-defense isnt debatable for most law-abiding Americans,?Nielsen wrote.

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Umm, lefties usually need things explained to them... slowly, and without big words or sudden movements.


In this case, though, they're aware of the facts. They just don't care and will continue on with their narrative of "ORANGE MAN BAD!!!" :tantrum:
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Posted 28 November 2018 - 03:57 AM

View Postgrimreefer, on 28 November 2018 - 03:13 AM, said:

Umm, lefties usually need things explained to them... slowly, and without big words or sudden movements.


In this case, though, they're aware of the facts. They just don't care and will continue on with their narrative of "ORANGE MAN BAD!!!" :tantrum:

It is impossible to explain anything to someone with a cult minded loyalty to an ideology that deliberately and transparently disregards the truth and comes up with moronic phrases like "his/her truth."

Leftists care ONLY about the agenda. Any means necessary is the way they live.
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Posted 28 November 2018 - 06:12 AM

View Postgrimreefer, on 28 November 2018 - 03:13 AM, said:

Umm, lefties usually need things explained to them... slowly, and without big words or sudden movements.


In this case, though, they're aware of the facts. They just don't care and will continue on with their narrative of "ORANGE MAN BAD!!!" :tantrum:

Lefties need to be force fed with a slingshot or have everything delivered kinetically to their craniums with a wooden club or other devices.

Ordinary conventional means of communication do not work on those who are willfully ignorant/deluded from all truth and facts.

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Posted 28 November 2018 - 06:24 AM

View Postgrimreefer, on 28 November 2018 - 03:13 AM, said:

Umm, lefties usually need things explained to them... slowly, and without big words or sudden movements.


In this case, though, they're aware of the facts. They just don't care and will continue on with their narrative of "ORANGE MAN BAD!!!" :tantrum:


Snowflakes, a special kind of stupid.

View PostRock N, on 28 November 2018 - 06:12 AM, said:

Lefties need to be force fed with a slingshot or have everything delivered kinetically to their craniums with a wooden club or other devices.

Ordinary conventional means of comminication do not work on those who are willfully ignorant/deluded from all truth and facts.


:exactly:
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Posted 28 November 2018 - 08:24 AM

Were Mexico so committed to deporting this conflagration of criminal n'er do well, peaceful asylum seekers, it would've done so by marching them straight back across it's southern border the split second they stampeded onto Mexican turf. I believe in Mexico's "commitment" to an orderly, lawful resolution like I trust drinking Mexico's tap water.

This is nothing but a regressive Left's attempt to disrupt and ultimately dispense with completely, the rule of law.
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Posted 28 November 2018 - 09:05 AM

View PostHardRightBambi, on 28 November 2018 - 08:24 AM, said:

Were Mexico so committed to deporting this conflagration of criminal n'er do well, peaceful asylum seekers, it would've done so by marching them straight back across it's southern border the split second they stampeded onto Mexican turf. I believe in Mexico's "commitment" to an orderly, lawful resolution like I trust drinking Mexico's tap water.

This is nothing but a regressive Left's attempt to disrupt and ultimately dispense with completely, the rule of law.


More like the Gov of Mexico was hoping a number of their citizens would join the caravan or at least provide cover for more illegals to enter.
Mexico never has and never will give a flying f' about our laws or nation.

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Posted 28 November 2018 - 10:54 AM

View PostRedSoloCup, on 28 November 2018 - 06:24 AM, said:

Snowflakes, a special kind of stupid.



:exactly:



This is what they need. ^
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Posted 28 November 2018 - 11:03 AM

View PostHardRightBambi, on 28 November 2018 - 08:24 AM, said:

Were Mexico so committed to deporting this conflagration of criminal n'er do well, peaceful asylum seekers, it would've done so by marching them straight back across it's southern border the split second they stampeded onto Mexican turf.


Mexico thought Trump was bluffing like most of our previous Presidents did. Now they're stuck with these dregs of Central American society. :biglaugh:
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Posted 28 November 2018 - 11:41 AM

View Postoki, on 28 November 2018 - 09:05 AM, said:

More like the Gov of Mexico was hoping a number of their citizens would join the caravan or at least provide cover for more illegals to enter.
Mexico never has and never will give a flying f' about our laws or nation.

Oki



Except for that little matter of our tourist dollars, that is. I think we should totally boycott Mexico's receipt of our tourist buckage, strangle their already unstable economy, seal our borders completely, apply worse than Iran sanctions/trade embargoes and allow them time to consider the error of their ways. This will also serve to keep the cartels on their side of the squalid fence.

But since Mexico is long accustomed to it's status as a criminal state and wallowing in it's own filth, I don't hold out much hope.

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Posted 28 November 2018 - 11:47 AM

View PostNatural Selection, on 28 November 2018 - 11:03 AM, said:

Mexico thought Trump was bluffing like most of our previous Presidents did. Now they're stuck with these dregs of Central American society. :biglaugh:



I call that Just Desserts, a hazard of assumption.
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Posted 28 November 2018 - 11:52 AM

View PostHardRightBambi, on 28 November 2018 - 11:41 AM, said:

Except for that little matter of our tourist dollars, that is. I think we should totally boycott Mexico's receipt of our tourist buckage, strangle their already unstable economy, seal our borders completely, apply worse than Iran sanctions/trade embargoes and allow them time to consider the error of their ways. This will also serve to keep the cartels on their side of the squalid fence.


By in large I agree, only problem is we won't be able to just seal the border, we will have to turn it into a 700 mile D.M.Z. with both support and fire basis as well as fast response teams and air support. Do not think for one minute that the Cartels won't hesitate to try and blow holes in the wall to get large shipments through or use fast boats along the entire Gulf of Mexico and Pacific Ocean. Plus, my other concern is that either China or Russia will come in to 'help' Mexico clean things up. Which of coarse means turning the country into a Satellite and in turn basis, spy hubs etc. One thing we cannot neglect is Air and Satellite assets that can do deep ground scans to spot tunnels.

Just my thinking but once the border as well as shores are sealed the drug and illegal alien flow will all but cease.
Again, just my opinion the Cartels will go to extra measures to get the drugs and illegals through. Blowing holes in the wall, armed incursions, tunnels, subs, fast boats etc. But as time goes by and less and less can get through the money will start to dry up, at that point the cartels will begin killing each other off even more so than know, that's when it will get worse for Mexico. Next there will be one dominant Cartel, they will control the Gov and Police even more so than know, but with getting anything into the U.S. nearly impossible they will be incredibly weakened due to lack of cash. At that point though both Mexico and the U.S. will be better off and the problem will be much easier and smaller to deal with.

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Posted 28 November 2018 - 12:15 PM

I saw a suggestion on facebook that I like. Use a water canon on those who cross the border and mix in some of the dye used in bank robberies. It doesn't wash off and makes it real easy to identify and deport folks.

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Posted 28 November 2018 - 12:38 PM

The government of Mexico is (for a large part) corrupt. But there are many good people living there.
When statements are made about "Mexico" it would be good to separate those criminals in power, and the good citizens who live under that repressive regime.
I wouldn't boycott Mexico to make a statement. But I would boycott it because I don't feel safe visiting there. (And it's not safe for the powerless people living there, either.)

(I feel the same way when someone posts a comment like, "California should just drop into the ocean." There are a lot of good people living in this State. It's just most of the politicians in power are basically evil.)
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Posted 28 November 2018 - 12:59 PM

View PostRock N, on 28 November 2018 - 06:12 AM, said:

Lefties need to be force fed with a slingshot or have everything delivered kinetically to their craniums with a wooden club or other devices.

Ordinary conventional means of communication do not work on those who are willfully ignorant/deluded from all truth and facts.

On very rare occasions, left-wing radicals will see the light and admit the errors in their thinking and join the right. Whittaker Chambers is a great example from the 1950s. I was discussing the Kavanuagh lynching with a woman friend last weekend and she said he was guilty. I knew she was a liberal, but I thought that since she was getting her doctorate, I could reason with her (I'm so naive). I asked for proof and she said there were four witnesses that could collaborate her allegations, but they all lied because they were covering for him. So, I said bottom line, she doesn't have any proof and why should I believe her over him (he said, she said scenario) and she said Kavenaugh was a proven liar (according to her liberal media outlets noted he said he drank to excess on occasion during high school and college during the hearing and apparently it was more frequent...I don't know if any of that is true, but so what???) and thus, he can't be trusted. I asked her if she believes there exists anybody on this earth that hasn't lied and amazingly she said no. Thus, I said could it be that she is lying about these allegations when now two other women who made allegations against Kavenaugh admitted lying and likely are going to be prosecuted. She responded no way she is lying because women don't lie about these things. Totally illogical when I just proved to her women DO lie about "these things", but to mind-numbed, indoctrinated, liberal snowflakes, logic and facts don't matter. Thus, for most lefties, it is a lost cause.
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Posted 28 November 2018 - 01:10 PM

View Postusapatriot, on 28 November 2018 - 12:59 PM, said:

I knew she was a liberal, but I thought that since she was getting her doctorate, I could reason with her (I'm so naive).


Education and intelligence are two different things. Her doctorate basically means that she has memorized enough information (or propaganda) in that field. I'm a CNC programmer/machinist (self-taught) and I've seen a lot of educated idiots in my field. I'm sure her field of expertise is no different.
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Posted 28 November 2018 - 01:11 PM

Why are those who plan or are coming here illegally called immigrants? They are criminals and accept for the children, are deserving of jail.
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Posted 28 November 2018 - 01:42 PM

View PostNatural Selection, on 28 November 2018 - 01:10 PM, said:

Education and intelligence are two different things. Her doctorate basically means that she has memorized enough information (or propaganda) in that field. I'm a CNC programmer/machinist (self-taught) and I've seen a lot of educated idiots in my field. I'm sure her field of expertise is no different.


I couldn't agree more with your assessment. Really, very well stated.
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Posted 28 November 2018 - 01:43 PM

View PostDiamond369, on 28 November 2018 - 01:11 PM, said:

Why are those who plan or are coming here illegally called immigrants? They are criminals and accept for the children, are deserving of jail.


Deport them. I don't want my tax dollars supporting them in jail, detention centers, or anywhere else they can be found.

Total Fiscal Burden of Illegal Aliens on U.S. Taxpayers:
$115,894,597,664 (per year)
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That's enough to build FOUR walls every year.
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Posted 28 November 2018 - 01:44 PM

View PostHardRightBambi, on 28 November 2018 - 01:42 PM, said:

I couldn't agree more with your assessment. Really, very well stated.


I knew I wasn't alone. :2up:
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Posted 28 November 2018 - 02:02 PM

View Postusapatriot, on 28 November 2018 - 12:59 PM, said:

On very rare occasions, left-wing radicals will see the light and admit the errors in their thinking and join the right. Whittaker Chambers is a great example from the 1950s. I was discussing the Kavanuagh lynching with a woman friend last weekend and she said he was guilty. I knew she was a liberal, but I thought that since she was getting her doctorate, I could reason with her (I'm so naive). I asked for proof and she said there were four witnesses that could collaborate her allegations, but they all lied because they were covering for him. So, I said bottom line, she doesn't have any proof and why should I believe her over him (he said, she said scenario) and she said Kavenaugh was a proven liar (according to her liberal media outlets noted he said he drank to excess on occasion during high school and college during the hearing and apparently it was more frequent...I don't know if any of that is true, but so what???) and thus, he can't be trusted. I asked her if she believes there exists anybody on this earth that hasn't lied and amazingly she said no. Thus, I said could it be that she is lying about these allegations when now two other women who made allegations against Kavenaugh admitted lying and likely are going to be prosecuted. She responded no way she is lying because women don't lie about these things. Totally illogical when I just proved to her women DO lie about "these things", but to mind-numbed, indoctrinated, liberal snowflakes, logic and facts don't matter. Thus, for most lefties, it is a lost cause.



Like <edited for decency> women don't lie about these things! I've known three in my life who manufactured lurid details in effort to lend credibility. VERY lurid details. Openly admitting to other women that the event never took place and lodging false accusation against a work place male superior. Because she just didn't like his attitude. Result? An innocent, decent man's life and career destroyed. His family took a beating, too. A very decent, respectable family burned to the ground over a lie and a disliked professional attitude.
My own very young niece pulled this, recently, in an attempt to avoid explaining to her mother why she was busted in a very compromising position with a known school yard on-the-wrong-path n'er do well. She blatantly accused the kid of force and refused to talk to police. Eventually, she recanted the whole tale. While I know there are true victims of assault, I also know there are not like I know others will lie about it.
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