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#21 User is offline   Tikk 

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 12:49 AM

Next there will be sworn testimony that Trump opened a can of Pepsi ...
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 01:06 AM

President Trump is Leader Deslock of Gamolion!

Trump kidnapped the Lindbergh baby, and made Ambrose Gwinnett Bierce disappear. Reeeeeeeee!

The deep states Piltdown man show is never ending story
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 01:07 AM

View PostTikk, on 30 November 2018 - 12:49 AM, said:

Next there will be sworn testimony that Trump opened a can of Pepsi ...

And had 3 scoops of ice cream!😵
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 01:27 AM

View PostKilmerfan, on 30 November 2018 - 01:07 AM, said:

And had 3 scoops of ice cream!😵

Don't forget the Russian salad dressing he was spotted using. :whistling:
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 01:40 AM

View PostThat_Guy, on 29 November 2018 - 09:30 PM, said:

No, the deal fell apart when news broke of Russians hacking the DNC.


Is there any evidence of Trump offering Russia anything? Something along the lines of uranium mining rights, for example?

Is there any evidence of Russia offering Trump anything? Something along the lines of a $500,000 speaking fee, for example?
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 01:52 AM

View PostCensport, on 29 November 2018 - 08:51 PM, said:

Did Trump cancel the project when he won the GOP nomination, yes or no?


Yes


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Posted 30 November 2018 - 02:56 AM

View PostThat_Guy, on 29 November 2018 - 09:30 PM, said:

No, the deal fell apart when news broke of Russians hacking the DNC.

Not one damned bit of what Trump did was illegal at all.

He wasn't president yet.

So get the eff over it.

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 05:01 AM

View PostThat_Guy, on 29 November 2018 - 10:11 PM, said:



So? If the Obama years taught us nothing else, they taught us that lying (not saying Trump did...Cohen is anything but an unimpeachable, reliable source) is a perfectly legitimate tool in campaigning. It is also perfectly acceptable while in office. Heck, it is perfectly OK to hire people to deliberately and purposely craft lies that they are counting on the stupidity of the American people to believe in order to advance the agenda.

So, again, so?
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 05:52 AM

View PostThat_Guy, on 29 November 2018 - 08:40 PM, said:

Cohen Says Trump Stayed Involved in Moscow Tower Project During Campaign
MICHAEL ROTHFELD NOVEMBER 29, 2018


Michael Cohen told special counsel Robert Mueller he lied to Congress to play down President Trumpís involvement during the 2016 campaign in efforts to build a Trump Tower in Moscow, raising the pressure on his former boss as investigators probe his business relationship with Russia.

In a surprise court hearing Thursday, Mr. Cohen pleaded guilty to one charge brought by Mr. Muellerís office of lying to Congress about the Russian real-estate project, saying he purposely minimized Mr. Trumpís connection to the project. It was the first time Mr. Cohen, who served as Mr. Trumpís self-described fixer for more than a decade, has been publicly implicated in the Mueller investigation.

Before a crowded courtroom at the U.S. District Court in Manhattan, Mr. Cohen said he submitted false written statements to Congress in August 2017, including assertions that heíd had ďlimited?discussions about the proposed real-estate deal with Mr. Trump, identified in the charging document as ďIndividual 1.?The discussions were, in fact, ďmore extensive,?Mr. Cohen said in court.

After Mr. Cohenís court appearance Thursday, Mr. Trump called him a ďweak person?and accused him of lying to get a reduced sentence. Mr. Trump said he had opted not to do the Moscow project because he was ďfocused on running for president.?br />
During the campaign, Mr. Cohen asked Mr. Trump if he wanted to travel to Russia to pursue the project, Mr. Cohen said, and consulted a senior campaign official about it. He said he had lied when he told Congress he ďnever considered asking?Mr. Trump to make the trip.

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Mr. Cohen told the court he lied ďout of loyalty?to Mr. Trump.

Mr. Mueller is investigating whether Trump associates colluded with Russia to interfere in the 2016 campaign. Mr. Trump has denied collusion, and Moscow has denied election interference.

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During his campaign, Mr. Trump repeatedly said he had no business dealings with Russia, saying in a July 2016 news conference that he had ďnothing to do with Russia.?br />
On Thursday, Mr. Cohen told a federal judge he was aware of Mr. Trumpís ďrepeated statements?that any contact between Russians and Trump associates had terminated before the Iowa caucus in February 2016. Mr. Cohen sought to give Congress the false impression that talks for the Moscow project ended before the Iowa caucus in a bid to limit the continuing Russia investigation, prosecutors said.

The government said Mr. Cohen lied in part to conceal discussions heíd had with Trump family members about the project.

Investigators obtained emails about the project from late 2015 and January 2016, according to people familiar with the matter, in which Mr. Cohen communicated with or copied Mr. Trumpís son, Donald Trump Jr., and his daughter, Ivanka Trump, both of whom were executives at Trump Organization. Ms. Trump recommended an architect, the people said. She left the company after the election to advise her father at the White House.

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In May 2016, Mr. Cohen agreed to travel the following month to Russia, where Mr. Sater told him a Russian official could possibly introduce him to Mr. Putin or the Russian prime minister. Mr. Cohen later opted not to make the trip.

Mr. Cohen is scheduled to be sentenced for his prior guilty plea on Dec. 12, and his lawyers said Thursday they will ask for the sentencing to include the new false statement charge.

Under his first plea deal, Mr. Cohen and the government agreed to a sentence of between about four years and five years in prison. In the new plea agreement Thursday, the government said the false-statement charge would likely result in a sentence of between zero and six months.

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Beat it, Spaulding.
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 05:53 AM

View PostLadybird, on 29 November 2018 - 11:05 PM, said:

Trumpís Unacceptable Campaign Conduct and Two Other Takeaways from the Cohen Plea
By DAVID FRENCH
November 29, 2018 3:23 PM

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First, it was wholly unacceptable for the Trump team to pursue a significant business relationship with our chief geopolitical foe at the same time that he was locking down the Republican nomination for president. This disclosure casts Trumpís rhetoric in a new light. Remember Trumpís compliments of Putin and his constant assurances that he and Putin would get along? In cast youíve forgotten, hereís a sampling:

In December 2015, after Joe Scarborough questions Trump about Russiaís habit of killing journalists, Trump says, ďHeís running his country and at least heís a leader, unlike what we have in this country.?Trump then says, ďI think our country does plenty of killing also, Joe, so you know. Thereís a lot of stupidity going on in the world right now, a lot of killing going on, a lot of stupidity.?br />
Again in December he says, ďIíve always had a good instinct about Putin. I just feel that thatís a guyóand I can analyze people and youíre not always right, and it could be that I wonít like him. But Iíve always had a good feeling about him from the standpoint.?br />
In January, while talking to Maria Bartiromo, Trump is questioned about Britainís finding that Putin ďprobably approved?the killing of a former Russian security agent in Britain. Trump asked, ďHave they found him guilty??Trump then said, ďIf he did it, fine. But I donít know that he did it. You know, people are saying they think it was him, it might have been him, it could have been him. But Maria, in all fairness to PutinóI donít know. You know, and Iím not saying this because he says, ĎTrump is brilliant and leading everybody?óthe fact is that, you know, he hasnít been convicted of anything.?br />
Time and again Trump noted that Putin had praised him. Time and again he called Putin a ďleader?or a ďstrong leader.?Time and again he promised that America would have a ďgreat?relationship with Russia.

Trump made those comments at the exact time when his team was allegedly trying to secure a business deal that could have netted Trump millions of dollars. This is no small thing. Trumpís words mattered. Putinís approval rating with Republicans doubled while Trump praised the man who could have granted him great personal profit. Yes, Iím (mainly) pleased with American policy towards Russia since Trump has been president, but Trumpís actions represented an extraordinary conflict of interest. Americans were listening to Trumpís praise of Putin without realizing his profit motive. Thatís intolerable.

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Third, to quote former prosecutor Ken White, ďThe conclusion that the President of the United States knew that his personal counsel was repeatedly lying to the Congress of the United States about the Presidentís business is inescapable under these circumstances.?This is a conclusion thatís directly relevant to the obstruction of justice inquiry. It does not mean that the president obstructed, but itís important to remember that both the Clinton and Nixon articles of impeachment included charges related to the presidentís efforts to get witnesses to lie under oath. We should now ask, did the president have any role in feeding this false information to Congress?


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View PostRock N, on 30 November 2018 - 02:56 AM, said:

Not one damned bit of what Trump did was illegal at all.

He wasn't president yet.

So get the eff over it.


Hard feat for snowflakes.
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 06:24 AM

View Postdonsaliman, on 30 November 2018 - 01:52 AM, said:

Yes


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In other words, you got nothing.


Story of your life, eh?
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 07:05 AM

View PostNatural Selection, on 30 November 2018 - 01:40 AM, said:

Is there any evidence of Trump offering Russia anything? Something along the lines of uranium mining rights, for example?

Is there any evidence of Russia offering Trump anything? Something along the lines of a $500,000 speaking fee, for example?


And did he tell them he could be more flexible after the election?
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 07:47 AM

View PostTikk, on 30 November 2018 - 12:49 AM, said:

Next there will be sworn testimony that Trump opened a can of Pepsi ...


No Coke, Pepsi. Chip. Chip. Cheeseburger, cheeseburger...
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 08:17 AM

Remember Prague? In Michael Cohen plea deal, Mueller says nothing about key collusion allegation
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When news broke that Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to lying to Congress about his 2016 meetings concerning the failed Trump Tower Moscow project, the chattering class instantly began talking about the failed Trump Tower Moscow project.

Of course that was news. But it turns out the Cohen plea agreement also made news in what it did not cover. Specifically, it spoke volumes ?without saying a word ?about a key allegation of the Trump dossier, the charge that Cohen traveled to Prague to arrange secret payments to Russian hackers attacking the Clinton campaign. The accusation is the heart of the collusion allegation, and Trump-Russia special counsel Robert Mueller's deal with Cohen strongly suggests that prosecutors have not found evidence to support it.

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A quick reminder of what the Prague tale was: In the dossier, former British spy Christopher Steele cited a "Kremlin insider" who reported that Cohen traveled to Prague in August 2016 for talks with Russians with close ties to the Kremlin. The talks, according to the dossier, focused on "questions on how deniable cash payments were to be made to hackers who had worked in Europe under Kremlin direction against the CLINTON campaign and various contingencies for covering up these operations and Moscow's secret liaison with the TRUMP team more generally."

Cohen publicly denied the allegation, saying the meeting never happened and he had never been to Prague. In his September 2017 statement to Congress, Cohen was adamant: "I have never in my life been to Prague or to anywhere in the Czech Republic," he wrote. "Let me tell you where I was on the day the dossier said I was in Prague. I was in Los Angeles with my son who dreams of playing division 1 baseball next year at a prestigious university like USC. We were visiting the campus, meeting with various coaches, and discussing his future. Media sources have been able to confirm these facts and I can provide you with proof."

This is why Cohen's Trump Tower Moscow plea agreement with Mueller is important for the dossier: The plea shows that Mueller closely scrutinized everything Cohen told Congress. And it has long been clear that Mueller and his team are not shy about charging Trump-Russia figures with making false statements. It's also clear that Mueller found evidence that specific assertions in Cohen's statements to Congress were false ?the ones concerning Trump Tower Moscow ?and that he charged Cohen with lying. So if Mueller had evidence that Cohen's definitive denial of the Prague story, in the same document, was false, it seems reasonable to conclude that Mueller would have charged Cohen for it. Yet in the charges against Cohen, Mueller said absolutely nothing about Prague.

Last April, McClatchy published a blockbuster story with the headline "Sources: Mueller has evidence Cohen was in Prague in 2016, confirming part of dossier." The story was the subject of a lot of talk among Resistance types. But one notable thing about the McClatchy scoop was that other news organizations never duplicated it, as is common when one outlet breaks a big story. Now Mueller, with vastly more resources and investigative power than any news organization, hasn't either.

For more than a year, a number of Trump-Russia investigators on Capitol Hill have maintained that none of the dossier's substantive allegations are true. The new plea deal between Cohen and Mueller is more evidence to support that.

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 08:28 AM


Another nothing-burger? Catherine Herridge breaks down Michael Cohenís guilty plea Ďbombshell?/span>
November 29, 2018 | Vivek Saxena | Print Article
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Early Thursday morning word broke that President Donald Trumpís former personal lawyer Michael Cohen had pleaded guilty to lying to Congress during its investigation into possible Russian collusion.

Following the announcement, the perpetually hysterical left broke into cheers of gleeful applause over the belief that the president would soon be the next one to be indicted.

Hereís just a small sample of the leftís unrestrained glee:

To help Trump, Cohen lied to Congress about Trumpís business interests in Russia. The Presidentís own denials during the campaign were also false or misleading, and underscore the importance of investigating any financial entanglement between Trump and Russia.

?Adam Schiff (@RepAdamSchiff) November 29, 2018

Folks need to remember when Michael Cohen was negotiating the deal with ďRussia?for Trump, he was not negotiating like a regular business transaction. The plea agreement says he was negotiating with Kremlin *OFFICIALS* ?not private businesspersons. This is no ordinary biz.

?Neal Katyal (@neal_katyal) November 29, 2018

Itís fun to think about trump going down, followed by pence leading to President Pelosi.

?Imani Gandy Cane 🎅🏿🎄🕯 (@AngryBlackLady) November 29, 2018

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Except that all of this has nothing to do with Trumpís presidency and Russian collusion, let alone his successful presidential campaign. Instead, they pertain to an effort by the president to build a Trump Tower in Moscow. Cohen led those efforts.

ďMr. Cohen asked for and received Mr. Trumpís signature on a nonbinding letter of intent for the project in October 2015,?The Wall Street Journal notes, adding that the efforts incidentally began a few months after Trump began running for the presidency.

ďBoth Mr. Cohen and another Trump associate ?said in emails obtained by investigators that they planned to enlist top Russian officials?help for the project. In January 2016, Mr. Cohen sought help from Mr. Putinís top press official in arranging the deal.?br />
During meetings with the House and Senate Intelligence Committees a year later, Cohen lied about the specific timing and extent of these communications with Russian officials.

According to Fox News chief Intelligence correspondent Catherine Herridge, itís this lie that Cohen copped to Thursday morning. Nothing more, nothing less.

More importantly, she highlighted a statement made by Cohen in which he admitted that not only did the real estate project deal have nothing to do with the campaign, but that it was ultimately cancelled.

ďThe Trump Tower Moscow proposal was not related in any way to Mr. Trumpís presidential campaign,?he said, according to Herridge. ďMoreover, the proposal had nothing to do with any alleged collusion with Russia regarding the U.S. presidential election.?br />
ďBoth I and the Trump Organization were evaluating this proposal and many others from solely a business standpoint and rejected going forward on that basis,?he concluded.

What does this mean?

ďAt the end of the day, the consistent fact is that the deal didnít go through and nobody traveled to Moscow,?Herridge herself explained, thus ruining the leftís anti-Trump parade.

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 08:58 AM

View PostMTP Reggie, on 30 November 2018 - 07:47 AM, said:

No Coke, Pepsi. Chip. Chip. Cheeseburger, cheeseburger...

No fries. chips!
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 08:58 AM

CBS News' Norah O'Donnell: So to be clear, Mr. Trump has no financial relationships with any Russian oligarchs?

Trump Campaign Chairman Paul Manafort: Th-thatís what he said. I da? thatís what I said. Thatís, uh, obviously what the ?our position is.
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 09:03 AM

View PostKilmerfan, on 30 November 2018 - 01:06 AM, said:

President Trump is Leader Deslock of Gamolion!

Trump kidnapped the Lindbergh baby, and made Ambrose Gwinnett Bierce disappear. Reeeeeeeee!

The deep states Piltdown man show is never ending story

Trump was the man on the grassy knoll...
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Posted 30 November 2018 - 09:04 AM

View PostThat_Guy, on 30 November 2018 - 08:58 AM, said:

CBS News' Norah O'Donnell: So to be clear, Mr. Trump has no financial relationships with any Russian oligarchs?

Trump Campaign Chairman Paul Manafort: Th-thatís what he said. I da? thatís what I said. Thatís, uh, obviously what the ?our position is.

Keep on pissin' in the wind, Quixote.

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