[grimreefer]

Quote

Why the “Good Guy with a Gun?Argument Doesn’t Work With Leftists

Townhall.com
Karen Kataline
Nov 27, 2018 12:01 AM

The opinions expressed by columnists are their own and do not represent the views of Townhall.com.

excerpt:

As we are enjoying our Thanksgiving leftovers, some of us are thinking about the next set of issues over which the Left will spontaneously combust. Funny how it’s often timed perfectly for the next political fight and they are relatively quiet until people start paying attention after the New Year.

When Democrats gain control of the house in January, they will be fighting harder than ever to convince us that law-abiding citizens shouldn’t be trusted to have guns to defend themselves. Not long ago, they balked bitterly at the accusation that their real goal was to repeal the Second Amendment. Now, many have finally started to admit that this is precisely what they had in mind all along. Good for them. Better for us. They are easier to beat when they tell the truth. Unfortunately, that’s never very often.

Conservatives have an excellent argument in favor of the Second Amendment by proclaiming that “it takes a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun.?Unfortunately, it makes no sense to Leftists and it’s instructive to examine why.

The Left has been working overtime to erase the difference between good guys and bad guys. To them, we are all just as capable of being Charles Manson as we are Mother Theresa. They claim that individual choice and personal responsibility has nothing to do with who is good and who is evil. Maybe that’s why they can always be counted upon to come to the defense of ruthless, hardened criminals. They have for decades perpetuated the idea that criminals are victims. Now, they've moved on to painting law-abiding citizens are criminals. This speeds us on the road to being all the same. Think of it as the redistribution of personal responsibility.

If you are white, male, Christian, or God-forbid, a Republican, you are already guilty without having done anything at all. If you dare to own a gun, you are de facto guilty. It doesn’t matter what choices you make. The Left does not consider this to be prejudice as long as the right people are pre-judged. They argue that they can perfect the world and our behavior by creating a “correct?society which they will define for us. We are merely spokes in their socialist utopian wheel.

Whether it’s about women, guns, taxes, or trade, positions on the Left are built on the same collectivist bigotry. No one ever seems to hold them accountable for not counting themselves among the groups into which they have categorized everyone else. That’s how Michael Moore is able to rail about stupid white men even though he is one. That level of arrogance is reserved only for the power elite.

**SNIP**

LINK

Ms. Kataline has been reading my mind.

[Dean Adam Smithee]

grimreefer, on 27 November 2018 - 03:25 AM, said:

The Left has been working overtime to erase the difference between good guys and bad guys. To them, we are all just as capable of being Charles Manson as we are Mother Theresa. They claim that individual choice and personal responsibility has nothing to do with who is good and who is evil. Maybe that’s why they can always be counted upon to come to the defense of ruthless, hardened criminals. They have for decades perpetuated the idea that criminals are victims. Now, they've moved on to painting law-abiding citizens are criminals. This speeds us on the road to being all the same. Think of it as the redistribution of personal responsibility.

Because the thing that makes the difference between Charles Manson and Mother Theresa is the thing that the left despises the most: Religion.

²³ for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, ²⁴ and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
- Romans 3:23-24 (NIV)

If there is no Christ then there is no redemption, and every person is as capable as the next of being Charles Manson. Yet the left, in a very cognitive-dissonant sort of way, wants us to believe that lack of of religion is what redeems us and that, even without Christ, every person is as capable as the next of being Mother Theresa

Hence, no difference.

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace, you

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one...
- John Lennon, "Imagine"

It goes to the essential difference between right and right: The right want everyone to have the same opportunity the rise up to the same level. The left wants to drag everyone down to the same level.

[Ladybird]

It's all good unless as long as the "good guy" is not black.

This post has been edited by Ladybird: 27 November 2018 - 07:51 AM

[erp]

 Ladybird, on 27 November 2018 - 07:38 AM, said:

It's all good unless as the "good guy" is not black.

Oh piss off with your racial chip. That was really uncalled for.

[HardRightBambi]

"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not." Allegedly, "falsely" attributed to Thomas Jefferson according to Leftist anti-gun nutters.

Regardless of who coined the term, it is nonetheless true.

To those of us frequently termed "gunners" by the nut-ridden Left it makes perfect sense. The RTKBA is sacred. And shall not be infringed.

Yes, there are severely unstable people in our country and No, no responsible, law abiding gun owner wants those who are suffering delusions, unbalanced social issues, or have an ax to grind with the local school yard population, church, synagogue or mall to possess a fire arm any more dangerous than a slingshot.

It's an, at times, unfortunate by product of a free society. As an aside, in most of those unfortunate by product cases several people were aware in advance that the nut job was unstable to begin with and said/did nothing to intervene-also an unfortunate by product of a free society.

There are considerable arguments on both sides but at the end of the day one thing still stands. It's part of our Constitution and our country is (or at least was) based upon that document and it's Bill of Rights.

Yes, I am a gun owner. I've had a legal conceal carry permit issued by my state for the past 20 years- with more hours of safety training than I need. I own several guns, some of which many people would see banned. No, I see no reason for bump stocks, whatsoever. I'm completely proficient with all those weapons-my husband is a specialty-trained weapons expert and at his insistence my ability to safely handle, load and fire (and strip/clean) with extreme adequacy is a life requirement.

I know full well that the Left would see us all mindless, disarmed sheep easily herded for the slaughter but until that day...pry it from my cold, dead.....you know the drill.

As a personal favor: Please anyone who might be aware of anyone growing one of those nasty little b@stards in the back room, collecting assault weapons whilst it's parents whistle past the graveyard, pretending to know nothing about what the little freak is up to: BEFORE it gets loose and the too predictable occurs, please do/say something in advance? Thank you.

This post has been edited by HardRightBambi: 27 November 2018 - 07:55 AM

[RedSoloCup]

 Ladybird, on 27 November 2018 - 07:38 AM, said:

It's all good unless as long as the "good guy" is not black.

:rolleyes:

[RibeyeSteak]

Ladybird, on 27 November 2018 - 07:38 AM, said:

It's all good unless as long as the "good guy" is not black.

Utterly stupid statement.

[firecoco]

Ladybird, on 27 November 2018 - 07:38 AM, said:

It's all good unless as long as the "good guy" is not black.

http://i.postimg.cc/vmtqJTq1/87052ed4fc24aca6b9be497390eb4a34aefc72216978b0c09557f0e0bfd876e7.jpg

[Natural Selection]

Ladybird, on 27 November 2018 - 07:38 AM, said:

It's all good unless as long as the "good guy" is not black.

https://i.postimg.cc/YqCPPP9t/medal-of-valor.png

(source)

[Big Dave]

Ladybird, on 27 November 2018 - 07:38 AM, said:

It's all good unless as long as the "good guy" is not black.

That's all ya' got! Really? :sheep:

[JerryL]

Ladybird, on 27 November 2018 - 07:38 AM, said:

It's all good unless as long as the "good guy" is not black.

Is it:

a. unless the "good guy" is not black, or
b. as long as the "good guy" is not black?

It kind of makes a difference and, as written, it currently makes no sense.

I am going to make an educated assumption that you are saying that "good guy with a gun" argument is not seen as being "good" when the "good guy" is black. What an asinine statement. Do you have anything whatsoever to back that up?

[Tea Party Hooligan]

Ladybird, on 27 November 2018 - 07:38 AM, said:

It's all good unless as long as the "good guy" is not black.

Are you more than the sum of your parts? What I'm asking is; does the color of your skin define you to act and think a certain way? The reason I'm asking is that I have heard black leftists tell other blacks, that don't prescribe to the left's mantra, that they "aren't black enough". What does that mean? What it sounds like to logical thinkers is that it is pure racism. Are you a racist? You sure sound like one to me. I have found, through observation, that the left are more racist, bigoted, and divisive than those that they claim are. Why is that?

You're petty. You let trumped up racism dictate your existence. Whenever someone disagreed with Obama, the first thing out of a leftist mouth was "it's because he's black". That's racism. Fake outrage. Didn't MLK ask people to judge someone based on the content of their character and not the color of their skin? Do you think all blacks are innocent do-gooders? Do you think all white males are evil? Do you think that any charge brought against a black person is false? We all try to get past the color of someone's skin, but leftists won't allow for it. They want to concentrate on it and make it a political tool they can wield for power. Of all the large cities in the US; how many are controlled by leftists? Why do we continue to hear bleeting about how we have failed the inner cities? Who controls that? That would be leftists, yet they blame all those problems on non-existent boogeymen on the right. Instead of blaming the ones pulling the triggers in Chicago, they blame the gun as if it was a separate, racist enemy. They don't talk about what color the skin is of those doing the shooting; why?

I'm off my soap box, for now. I know you will never be anything other than a bitter racist, so I won't even try to talk to you about facts.

[oki]

Ladybird, on 27 November 2018 - 07:38 AM, said:

It's all good unless as long as the "good guy" is not black.

Ah yes, one or two incidents set the entire tone for an entire group. Haven't we had numerous discussions about this?
By the way, as awful as it may be, not all details have been released yet know have they?
Plus, given the fact that Black people are often the victims of violent crime doesn't it make sense that those who are law abiding should be able to exercise this right just like everyone else?


Oki

[HardRightBambi]

Tea Party Hooligan, on 27 November 2018 - 08:45 AM, said:

Are you more than the sum of your parts? What I'm asking is; does the color of your skin define you to act and think a certain way? The reason I'm asking is that I have heard black leftists tell other blacks, that don't prescribe to the left's mantra, that they "aren't black enough". What does that mean? What it sounds like to logical thinkers is that it is pure racism. Are you a racist? You sure sound like one to me. I have found, through observation, that the left are more racist, bigoted, and divisive than those that they claim are. Why is that?

You're petty. You let trumped up racism dictate your existence. Whenever someone disagreed with Obama, the first thing out of a leftist mouth was "it's because he's black". That's racism. Fake outrage. Didn't MLK ask people to judge someone based on the content of their character and not the color of their skin? Do you think all blacks are innocent do-gooders? Do you think all white males are evil? Do you think that any charge brought against a black person is false? We all try to get past the color of someone's skin, but leftists won't allow for it. They want to concentrate on it and make it a political tool they can wield for power. Of all the large cities in the US; how many are controlled by leftists? Why do we continue to hear bleeting about how we have failed the inner cities? Who controls that? That would be leftists, yet they blame all those problems on non-existent boogeymen on the right. Instead of blaming the ones pulling the triggers in Chicago, they blame the gun as if it was a separate, racist enemy. They don't talk about what color the skin is of those doing the shooting; why?

I'm off my soap box, for now. I know you will never be anything other than a bitter racist, so I won't even try to talk to you about facts.

They don't talk about it because the sheer volume of facts and statistics supporting your position would completely render the Left's position utterly null and void. The Left has no taste for facts, however glaringly obvious.

[Buckwheat Jones]

 Ladybird, on 27 November 2018 - 07:38 AM, said:

It's all good unless as long as the "good guy" is not black.

That’s pretty disappointing.

[HardRightBambi]

oki, on 27 November 2018 - 08:57 AM, said:

Ah yes, one or two incidents set the entire tone for an entire group. Haven't we had numerous discussions about this?
By the way, as awful as it may be, not all details have been released yet know have they?
Plus, given the fact that Black people are often the victims of violent crime doesn't it make sense that those who are law abiding should be able to exercise this right just like everyone else?


Oki

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I read the entire article and saw nothing indicative of race-anything within. I could've sworn it was Right vs wrong, good vs evil. Girls with guns or something. Now it's race baiting nonsense? How did that happen?

This post has been edited by HardRightBambi: 27 November 2018 - 09:09 AM

[MTP Reggie]

Buckwheat Jones, on 27 November 2018 - 09:02 AM, said:

That's pretty disappointing.

But not unexpected.

[Natural Selection]

HardRightBambi, on 27 November 2018 - 09:08 AM, said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I read the entire article and saw nothing indicative of race-anything within. I could've sworn it was Right vs wrong, good vs evil. Girls with guns or something. Now it's race baiting nonsense? How did that happen?

A democrat chimed in. That's what happened.

[Buckwheat Jones]

 MTP Reggie, on 27 November 2018 - 09:12 AM, said:

But not unexpected.

Yes, you’re quite right. But I’ve read her posts for some time and I think she’s an intelligent woman. Unfortunately I think she’s been trained by black and liberal culture to stay in her lane and ignore any information that doesn’t come from within that mindset. Whenever she does a drive by like this, or posts something about race when race isn’t the topic at hand, she gets a virtual pat on the head from the hive for doing her part to “strike a blow for justice.?br />
I think she’s simply been trained, probably without realizing it, that racism is really ok if it’s directed at the right people.

And I guess we’re the right people. Which is why this is disappointing.

[oki]

HardRightBambi, on 27 November 2018 - 09:08 AM, said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I read the entire article and saw nothing indicative of race-anything within. I could've sworn it was Right vs wrong, good vs evil. Girls with guns or something. Now it's race baiting nonsense? How did that happen?

She is referring to an idea that if your black your much more likely to be shot by a cop simply for being black.
Truth of coarse is ANY responding officer is going to open fire on any armed person depending on how they behave, act or so on no matter race.
Some people will find a racism angle in anything no matter what the facts are or are not.


Oki